and this basically confirms my theory that Cheritz doesn’t know what “sadist” means
that’s what I was thinking!
(chat room when the MC is there vs when she’s not)
I think the difference has a significance but I can’t figure it out rn. However, this does explain some of the posts I’ve seen in the fandom (😒). Clearly they didn’t understand that there might be some translation error or that the writers didn’t literally mean it.
Here’s what I think they were trying to do:
(keep in mind I don’t know what it says in the original Korean version so I have know idea if this is a translation “error” or stylistic choice to get a point across.) The context of these messages are about Saeyoung either teasing someone to get a reaction out of them or being overly physically affectionate (nibbling the cat’s neck!) to pets. Nothing to do with sadism but it does tell you about his character. There are other words that could have been used to describe this behavior, but since “sadist” was chosen, and since it’s only mentioned when 1) the MC isn’t there or 2) he pretends to not know what that means if she is there, one of the aspects of his character it’s referring to is how he is sexually. So to combine the sexual hints with the more obvious situation being talked about, they chose this word which has both a sexual and non sexual meaning.
This is the closest to sadism I could find… and I swear it’s new text. I’ve done these options before. I never saw this.
Headcanon: Marinette’s Parents are the Old Ladybug & Cat Noir
I’ve seen this idea brought about by someone before, but I want to do more of an analysis on the topic and how it could be an actual thing.
They have no doubts in Ladybug & Cat Noir
When Ladybug and Cat Noir first rose to power in the origins episode, Tom and Sabine had complete faith that they’d protect Paris. Marinette was talking to them about having doubts that they’ll be able to protect Paris, but both of them were very reassuring that Ladybug and Cat Noir know what they’re doing.
If Tom and Sabine both know about the powers their miraculouses hold (since they used to belong to them), of course they’ll feel safe. They know what powers can be wielded and how strong they are.
We don’t have much background on Sabine
Take notice to how we know BOTH of Tom’s parents but close to nothing about Sabine’s side of the family, aside from having a master chef brother who lives in Shanghai (also Shanghai just happens to be where miraculous origins and temples are.)
I’ve had a theory that somehow, her and Master Fu are related. We know nothing about Master Fu’s background either, he’s also of Chinese dissent, and he just happens to live in Paris, of all places.
Another thing too is that if Master Fu IS related to Marinette, he could’ve purposely gone by her house when he was looking for a Ladybug. If he originally entrusted in Sabine and Tom, he has reason to trust their daughter. Let’s be real: him just giving her the miraculous simply because she helped him dodge a car is the most ludicrous reason to trust someone to hold such power. He also befriends her first and explains everything vs Chat Noir who’s put on the back burner.
They might know Marinette is Ladybug
Well, to be fair, Tom doesn’t seem to know, but there are signs that Sabine does.
Sabine is so oddly calm about Marinette “hiding away” in her room and just being very secretive or vague about things she’s doing.
Sabine also didn’t even get upset when Chat Noir turned Marinette down. She reassured him it’s okay to have feelings for Ladybug. Like, if she knows Marinette is Ladybug, of course she’s going to be okay with him liking Ladybug - they’re the same person.
Tom took a really strong liking towards Chat Noir
In Weredad, he was THRILLED when he thought Chat Noir had feelings for Marinette and that they were going to date. Sure we could take it that he’s a sap and hopeless romantic just like his daughter, but he was SO overzealous about it being Chat Noir. He’s a hero, he could “see them having kittens”, etc. He could easily take a liking to the boy taking his position as Chat Noir. He could have that bias since he could’ve possibly been the old Chat Noir.
He felt so strongly about their relationship not working out and Chat Noir not liking her romantically that he got akumatized. Like he REALLY wanted Chat Noir to stick around.
He also kept asking him a billion questions. And even after he “broke her heart”, he still encouraged Chat Noir to work at the bakery with them! Like WHAT.
Also note how we DID NOT see him act the same way about Luka when him and Marinette were dating.
Sabine has good defense
Look at her in Troublemaker!! You try telling me she isn’t ready to kick some super villain ass.
I’ve never seen the Miraculous Ladybug fandom quite this agitated before, and that’s saying something ‘cause I’ve been active in this fandom for over six years at this point and I’ve seen all sorts of controversies. But the Chloé discourse goes above and beyond: anti-Chloé folks are attacking pro-Chloé folks, pro-Chloé folks are attacking the show’s creators…it’s a mess.
So I’m gonna make a post breaking down Chloé’s character arc! That couldn’t possibly go wrong, right?
A couple notes here before I get started. I’m a screenwriter, and that’s the perspective I’m approaching this from. I’m not going to take a stance on what Chloé’s arc should be—I’m just breaking down what it currently is. And my goal here is to debunk the misconception that Chloé’s character development was erased at the end of season 3.
SPOILERS are present, up through Penalteam.
Here’s what’s happened so far in Chloé’s arc.
In Season 1, we learned Chloé’s status quo. She’s a jerk to basically everyone, she pushes around her father ANDRÉ to get her way, and she treats SABRINA like a servant. But at the same time, she admires LADYBUG and wants to be a hero like her, and she’s also friends with ADRIEN. So from her perspective, she has four potential allies at this point.
In Despair Bear, Chloé is challenged by ADRIEN, who suggests that if she keeps treating people terribly, he’ll have to stop being her friend. Chloé clearly doesn’t want to lose Adrien, so she actually makes an effort, even though she backslides at the end of the episode.
In Style Queen, we meet Chloé’s mother AUDREY, a fifth potential ally for Chloé. AUDREY mistreats both Chloé and ANDRÉ, and here the reason Chloé treats people horribly is because of an attempt to get into AUDREY’s good graces.
In Queen Wasp, Chloé gets a Miraculous, and she unsurprisingly abuses its power for her personal benefit, which HAWKMOTH capitalizes on. She’s taken down by LADYBUG, who takes back the Miraculous, showing Chloé that she can’t be a hero if she only uses her powers for personal gain.
In Malediktator, Queen Bee is given a second chance by LADYBUG, and this time she doesn’t exclusively serve her own interest—her selfish instincts are outweighed by her desire to be a hero.
In Miraculer, we see that Queen Bee is quite competent as a hero, almost winning a one-on-one fight with Mayura. Despite this, LADYBUG says she can’t ever give Chloé’s Miraculous back to her, because HAWKMOTH knows her identity. Chloé doesn’t believe this; she’s confident LADYBUG will give her the Miraculous again.
In Hearthunter, Chloé is manipulated by HAWKMOTH into losing that confidence, and she starts to see LADYBUG as keeping her away from her goal of being a hero. From this point onwards, HAWKMOTH is considered her ally, and LADYBUG isn’t.
In Sole Crusher, Chloé thinks her goal of being a hero is now out of reach, and so her selfish instincts are no longer being overpowered, and she’s once again being horrible to people. With help from Zoé, ANDRÉ stops letting Chloé push him around as much as she used to.
In Queen Banana, Chloé gets in a fight with ADRIEN and cuts him off, bringing her down to one fewer ally—now, her only allies are SABRINA, AUDREY, and SHADOWMOTH. Additionally, because Vesperia now wields the Bee Miraculous, Chloé’s even further from her goal of being a hero. Now, she doesn’t just have to be a better person—she has to be better than Vesperia.
In Optigami, Chloé laughs at a joke made at AUDREY’s expense, and AUDREY cuts her off, once again bringing her down to one fewer ally.
In Penalteam, Chloé cuts off both of her remaining allies—namely, SHADOWMOTH and SABRINA. For a few moments, she has no allies left, until LILA decides to start taking advantage of that, asserting herself as the one person Chloé can still potentially trust.
Let’s break that down.
I’ve capitalized specific names in the synopsis because Chloé’s arc is defined by her allies. In season 1, she has four allies—André, Sabrina, Ladybug, and Adrien. Season 2 adds Audrey, and at the end of season 3 she switches out Ladybug for Hawkmoth. Then in season 4, she loses each of her allies one by one—first André, then Adrien, then Audrey, then Shadowmoth, and finally Sabrina.
So even from this alone, we can see that Chloé hasn’t reverted to her status quo of season 1. In season 1, she was comfortable, and in season 4, she’s spiraling, cutting ties left and right, and digging herself deeper and deeper into a hole. This is a very different status quo, because it’s not stable. Things can change dramatically at any moment, and almost certainly will.
And most importantly…Chloé’s character development as Queen Bee hasn’t been undone. Even when she was a hero, she still had her selfish and hostile instincts—she was just suppressing them in order to achieve her goal of being a hero. Once that goal seemed out of reach, she had no reason to suppress those instincts anymore. But that doesn’t mean those behaviors went away and came back—they were always there; she was just able to temporarily hold them down.
So why was Chloé written this way?
There’s one thing that I never see people recognizing in the Chloé discourse—Chloé’s character arc isn’t over. There are more seasons of the show planned, and those seasons will definitely have Chloé in them. Thomas Astruc’s goal in writing Chloé was never to write the specific section of her arc that we’ve seen so far—it was to write her entire arc. Obviously, I can’t know what that arc is going to end up being, but there are some things we can more clearly understand.
When figuring out a character’s role in a plot, there are three essential elements to consider—a goal is what a character wants, motivations are why they want it, and methods are how they go about trying to achieve it. Let’s break this down for Chloé:
Goal: Chloé wants to be popular, specifically by being a hero.
Motivations: Chloé grew up in an environment where her mother abused both her and her father, and she never learned how to be a good person, so she has very few allies. She sees how much people look up to Ladybug, and she wants that for herself.
Methods: Chloé’s willing to suppress her toxic instincts if it gets her towards her goal, but she never actually tries to unlearn those instincts.
Chloé’s methods of suppressing her toxic instincts weren’t sufficient to achieve her goal of being a hero, and so she abandoned those methods in favor of the new method of siding with Hawkmoth. When that didn’t work out either, she abandoned that approach and currently sees her goal as unachievable.
Of course, it’s clear what she actually does have to do in order to achieve her goal—she has to put in the effort to actually learn how to not be a terrible person. And there’s a clear metric for that: she has to give Ladybug a reason to give the Miraculous to her rather than to Vesperia. Until Chloé unlearns her toxic attitudes, Ladybug will always choose Vesperia over Queen Bee—and that’s where Vesperia fits into Chloé’s arc, and I suspect this is why Vesperia was added to the story in the first place.
There’s no way to know whether Chloé ever actually will manage to get to that point; there are lots of directions her arc can take from here. But this is what her arc’s about—when someone doesn’t know how to care about other people, it’s impossible for them to be a hero. That’s the moral, and that’s why she was written this way.
If cataclysm can break the connection with the amok then Adrien getting hit with his own cataclysm should've made him go berserk in Miraculer. Instead he just got badly hurt and handicapped the whole fight. We've seen several instances of sentimonsters getting hit with cataclysm and Chat didn't act like that. So the whole "is he really one?" is just bullshit drama stirring by the show runners. Nothing in canon has definitively shown he's a sentimonster so I don't understand why we're all still so hung up over it.
If you consider Word of God canon, then there’s functionally no difference between a sentimonster and a human. But unless they’re going the route that Dusuu created every human on the planet, that’s. Fucking stupid. (Tikki is literally right there.)
I personally don’t enjoy the sentimonster Adrien theory because the writing leading up to it has been piss-poor and absolutely nothing has been explained in the show — you know, where it actually matters.
I think that there’s something going on with the Twin Rings, even if it’s just symbolism, but right now everything is so damn vague that it could be anything.
So I’m not convinced that Adrien is a sentimonster. If he is, then the writing in season five had better step the fuck up to explain all of this, because right now it’s been poorly-incorporated into the lore and it doesn’t add anything to Adrien’s story except give him another thing to angst over. (We don’t need an allegory for abuse when Adrien is very CLEARLY already abused.)
But that’s just my thoughts thus far, so they’re subject to change. Except what I said about Word of God — all of the sentimonster “”“lore”“” on Thomas’ Twitter means literally less than nothing to me.
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